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Suspended UCF student appeals for readmission

Published: Wednesday, July 15, 2009

Updated: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 21:07

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Erin Drew

Almost half of all freshman college students will either drop out before obtaining a degree or complete their college education elsewhere, according to American College Testing (ACT). Eric Santos, 26, of Orlando, is a former UCF student who is now part of that statistic.

Santos, like many college students, went from high school to college with just a short summer in between. He started out at UCF with strong grades that slipped during his second semester.

“It was the typical freshman thing where you don’t take it seriously,” Santos said. “I was a stupid 19-year-old who spends to much time at home with his friends instead of studying.”

He said he did everything he could to pay for school and a long list of bills including taking out Stafford loans and opening credit cards. Eventually he found it hard to pay those bills without working full time.

“I ended up not going back because I started working,” Santos said.

Santos’  love for learning did not stop after a few failed courses. He attended school at Valencia Community College while continuing to work full time.

Santos excelled in his courses and impressed many of his professors at VCC.

“Let me ensure that I am not ‘an easy teacher’ and even bright students need to work hard to earn a B in my physics class,” wrote Valencia professor of physics Irina Struganova in a recommendation letter for Santos.

With working full time and achieving academic success at VCC, Struganova has noticed improvements in Santos.

“I strongly believe that Eric is a different person now and kindly ask you to give him a second chance and to re-admit him to UCF,” Struganova said.

His performance at VCC impressed his professors so much that some knew nothing about his previous classes at UCF until it was time for him to apply for readmission with the College of Engineering.

“Had Eric not told me of his circumstances, I would never have guessed that such a hard working, dedicated student could have earned such a low GPA while at UCF,” wrote Valencia professor of mathematics Sidra Van De Car in a recommendation letter.

Santos finished VCC and applied for readmission to UCF. In a letter dated May 18, UCF denied Santos readmission stating, “Any disqualified student whose UCF grade point deficiency is equal to or greater than 15 grade points is not eligible for readmission.”

The UCF undergraduate catalog states that for readmission purposes, “grade point deficiency” is defined as the number of UCF credit hours earned with a B grade that a student needs to raise their UCF grade point average to a 2.0. If those hours (or points) are equal to 15 or more, a student is a not eligible for readmission. Santos would need to take more than five classes to raise his UCF GPA to a 2.0 and therefore he is not eligible for readmission.

“Basically it’s the amount of hours it takes to get B grades,” said Paul Edlen, coordinator of academic support services in the College of Engineering.

Although Santos successfully finished his associates degree at VCC, his UCF grades are still haunting his academic career.

“I expected my entire academic career to be looked at opposed to just four classes at UCF,” Santos said.

Santos began to put together his appeal package after recieving the letter of rejection. Santos met with Edlen regarding a required letter of departmental support for the student.

“We review each students grades and look for certain factors. Is a student in a good situation to come back and be successful at UCF?” Edlen said.

Santos met with Edlen but was denied a letter offering support from the College of Engineering.

“When I met with Paul I had my letters of recommendation with me, and he didn’t even look at them,” Santos said.

When asked specifically about Santos’ application Edlen said, “Everything would be related to his grades.”

When asked about the role internships, work experience and letters of recommendation play in the College of Engineering’s decision, Edlen said, “Work experience can only account for so much.”

Edlen suggested applying to a different school, Santos said.

“In some cases we might make suggestions to improve the case,” Edlen said. “If we don’t feel that there are options for the student we would recommend considering a different institution.”

The engineering program is not a limited access field at UCF. A student in good standing can claim it as their major at any time. There is also no cap on students being readmitted to the program.

“We don't have a target number we readmit, Edlen said. “In one semester we might readmit twice as many based on the applicants at that time.”

Santos decided instead to move forward with the appeal process without the letter from Edlen. He is hoping that his transcripts and letters of recommendation will convince the Admissions and Standards Committee to give him a second chance.

Santos and his girlfriend, UCF Business Administration alumna Laura Diaz, 23, said they were surprised by UCF’s readmission process.

“It never crossed my mind that it would be this complicated and discouraging,” Diaz said. “It doesn’t set the school in a good light to discourage the community.”

Santos and Diaz hope the Admissions and Standards Committee grants his request for readmission to UCF.

“Why not do the thing that I think is most important and educate the people that want to be educated?” Diaz said.

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32 comments

F. Up
Fri Jan 8 2010 11:43
My son had the same problem. I tried to look at the problem from both perspectives but, as it turns out...I determined that there are some "educators?" at UCF that are just hateful and mean. If they loose a final paper, it is the students problem not the teacher. Sick. I am in contact with many UCF students parents and we are watching this dog and pony show very carefully. A future law suit is not out of the question.
Lucia
Tue Dec 22 2009 15:21
Did Eric Santos ever make it back into UCF? My boyfriend is going through the same thing right now. He is going to VCC, and realizes his mistakes in the past. He has a good job, but in order to move up he needs a degree. He had the interview with Edlen today, he basically told him to go to another college, that he will never make it at UCF. Any advice on getting back in without this recommendation?
Gavin
Wed Aug 26 2009 14:46
I am in a very similar situation as well.

My first semester was summer, and I got an A in American govt and a D- in world religions. Because the teacher didn't speak English! I think some of you might know who he is. Hakkiim, or something. anyways, next semester (Fall)I failed two classes. Two that they told me I HAD to take: BSC 1101 chemistry I. At 8 and 9 am, respectively. As a 17 year old freshmen in a brand new world. I got two B's in English and political science. then I went to valencia, got 2 years of B's and A's, and UCF won't let me back in. I DID MY TIME. I ONLY GOT 3 BAD GRADES. I hate UCF so much and I can't move bc of a 2 year lease. wtf do I do? drop out, huh?

F*CKING ELITISTS

Your name
Tue Aug 18 2009 18:45
"It's not what you know, it's who you know".

80% of all jobs are found through social networking. Maybe that's why I don't have a job.

Your name
Tue Aug 18 2009 17:54
The world try's to judge everyone by a piece of paper. Its not what you know, its who you know.
Your name
Tue Aug 18 2009 17:53
I was also the post below. Paul Edlin is a piece of work. He too suggested I go somewhere else despite having letters from even Professor Chew stating he recomends to give me a second chance. He was very arrogant as well and did not treat me with any respect whatsoever. Lucky for him it was in my best interest to keep my mouth shut. That guy is a elitist extreme, probably was in a fraternity at ucf and that was the best job he could land after cheating his way through college ;)
Your name
Tue Aug 18 2009 17:48
I had to post to this since I was in the same exact situation. Denied Re-admittance due to my UCF GPA having been to low and needing more than 15 credits worth of B's to get off of probation. I am currently now attending UCF after successfully completing the Appeals process, and am currently no longer on probation after completing more than the 19 hours of B's I needed to get off of probation. I too went to valencia and excelled after getting kicked out of UCF and have found that in several but not all of instances since my re-instatement at UCF that I am more prepared than my peers who were at UCF for the whole of their careers. This is not always true, but you cannot deem valencia students to be stupid. I find that at UCF you have your groups of peers that all work together to get grades and well frankly a-lot of them cheat shareing information that at valencia we had to learn and seek ourselves. At Valencia, teachers may not be as smart at Valencia but they were better teachers. Rarely do you find a good teacher in the BSME program at UCF, regardless of how smart or qualified they are. They all seem to suck at teaching. I do not mean to sound like I am some Valencia Lover, was just a better education. Despite this, I am doing good at UCF. My overall GPA including my whole freshman year of F's is a 2.98 if you dont count my F's (replace them with what I got when I re-took the classes at Valencia) I have slightly over a 3.2 not to far off par with what the Average BSME student has at UCF. Now my UCF GPA which is what they count for probationary purposes is more like a 2.1. Unfortunately there is no way to Erase my mistake of years past and it will always hurt my GPA because as far as anyone is concerned my college GPA is a 2.91 instead of over a 3.2 but as I take more classes and continue to get A's and B's (Hopefully more A's than B's) my GPA rises ever so slightly. Point being someones overall GPA isnt some statement of the quality of them, it can include mistakes from several years ago. My most recent 2 years of college I held a higher GPA than most of my peers but on Paper i am less qualified than them despite how I have changed as a student and a person and despite that I currently perform at higher levels than alot of my peers. Alright, i'm just rambling right now and getting mad cause I want a job that requires me to have a 3.0 (overall) that pays almost twice as much which I cant have because of mistakes I made long ago. so I must go study now.
ManBoob
Sun Aug 9 2009 05:55
PS. I should have proof read that, but my name today is manboob so you can tell how much I feel like spell checking
ManBoob
Sun Aug 9 2009 02:56
The elitism is as a result of quality.

You see.. I had a student in my class that consistently asked some of the dumbest questions I anybody could ever imagine. Since teachers are now forced to pass some percentage (As shown by the average GPA of 3.3 in the engineering majors), bad students lower the bar for the rest of the students. If the teacher has to go slower so they can teach slower students, then the people who are left behind are the ones who are willing to put in the effort to learn.

This happened to me in at least 4 classes at UCF. The teachers didn't complete the required material because they were too busy catering to the ones who didn't put the effort to understand it. This left me at a disadvantage in the workforce when interviewing against people from more prestigious schools.

With all this said, his efforts at VCC should be enough to show that he could probably come in on a probationary basis. If he can get a 3.0 in his first semester then let him stay. If not, go to USF.

Your name
Sat Aug 8 2009 22:57
I was under the impression that we existed in a second chance society. Obviously, I was wrong. Some of these comments are ridiculously arrogant, elitist, and unforgiving. Everyone is different and it takes time for some people to come to fully value the opportunities presented through education. This man absolutely deserves to be readmitted, evident by his incredible academic success at VCC. I take offense and so would many of the past faculty,staff, and past students to the fact that VCC is lacking in its ability to prepare people to succeed at UCF. My success at VCC absolutely did. Check your University elitism at the door, people take different paths to reach the same destination-with none being of more value than the other.
Your name
Wed Jul 22 2009 11:03
If anyone can get a 4.0 a Valencia, then UCF shouldn't have their sweetheart deal where if you get your AA @ a local community college you are "guaranteed" admission to UCF. It appears that this is advertised. If the belief is is that community college education is simply not worthwhile, and only prepares students to be burger flippers, then why would UCF associate with local community colleges at all? Why bother offering a course like Diff-EQ if this is the case?
Your name
Tue Jul 21 2009 04:58
I know a guy that failed Differential Equations 3 times and passed it at Valencia.

But when you say that they're not comparable, I really wonder how UCF compares with the rest of the nation. Our school is interesting because we let in so many people that we have complete morons and intelligent people sitting in the same class.

Your name
Mon Jul 20 2009 19:28
His Valencia grades should most certainly NOT be considered. VCC's standards and curriculum are nowhere near UCF's, it's not comparable at all. Anyone could get a 4.0 at Valencia, that's why it is a community college.
Your name
Mon Jul 20 2009 19:18
Boo-f*cking-hoo. He needs more than 5 B's in order to get a 2.0? Jesus. It takes some serious slacking to get grades that bad. UCF has too many students anyway. Another career burger-flipper.
Your name
Mon Jul 20 2009 11:16
What happened to the other comments that were here?
Jerriann Sullivan
Fri Jul 17 2009 13:35
" Is his Valencia GPA not considered?"

Based on my research and interviews with UCF his Valencia GPA is not taken into consideration. It is based only on his UCF GPA. It was hard to explain all of this so if there is any other questions please feel free to post them as comments.

Thanks,
Jerriann Sullivan

Your name
Fri Jul 17 2009 11:03
I had to respond...I happen to know the student so in response to the question in the comments regarding his grade in Diff-EQ : he's taking it now. So far 3 tests and 3 A's!
Your name
Fri Jul 17 2009 02:44
That is proof that students in Greek organizations are generally below average students.

An older UCFNews article stated that the highest GPA of all Greek organizations was a whopping 3.2.

Search “Greek Point Average”.

According to this information, the average GPA at UCF seems to be around 3.4-3.5. (pg 22 when you click on BOT meeting article)

As much as I find this grade inflation to be ridiculous, I find it to be more ridiculous that our Greek organizations can't even come close to par with the rest of the University. I guess this is to be expected.

Your name
Thu Jul 16 2009 20:34
Woops, I explained that wrong.

When I said "It’s actually one of the lowest average SAT’s in the University" I meant to say GPA's and not SATs.

Your name
Thu Jul 16 2009 18:53
Dang this posting system sucks. Look at how many times "your name" accidentally posted the same line. I do it all the time too.

Anyways, UCF should raise its admissions standards anyways. What was his GPA at Valencia? Was it something lame like a 3.0 or was it something respectable like a 3.8?

I got an A in physics for engineers and I still found nearly every engineering class to be much much harder. Has he taken differential equations? I want to know his grade in that class.

Don’t forget that the average GPA in Mechanical Engineering is a 3.3. Think that’s high? It’s actually one of the lowest average SAT’s in the University. Students in that major where also all in the top quarter tier of incoming freshman students, yet majors like communication had bottom quarter tier admittance and an average of a 3.6GPA at UCF. Engineering classes are much harder than physics 1, so a B isn’t going to impress me.

To me this brings up the point of grade inflation, but that's for another dicsussion that I hope the UCF paper would write about.







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